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		<title>By: Aunty Entity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aunty Entity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently completed a project where the core management team referred to an MS Project file on a weekly basis to update the team.  This required a 2 hour meeting once a week involving around 8 stakeholders and at least 3 people a few hours each to update the file before and after the meeting....and yes, the project was completed on time.  However, time and resources are not always so abundant.

For smaller projects I use excel spreadsheets or even lists of tasks with dates clearly marked next to them for quick reference, on a Word document. The aim here is to think about who uses these - if a small team of developers they should have something that is easy to read and on a program they are likely to have on their PCs. 
 
But the most important task involved in timelines is the management of expectations - especially the client's.  If the client understands from the outset that some tasks cannot be started until completion/signoff of another task and a delay may cause delays to the end date then any argument about which program to use for a project plan seems piffling in comparison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently completed a project where the core management team referred to an MS Project file on a weekly basis to update the team.  This required a 2 hour meeting once a week involving around 8 stakeholders and at least 3 people a few hours each to update the file before and after the meeting&#8230;.and yes, the project was completed on time.  However, time and resources are not always so abundant.</p>
<p>For smaller projects I use excel spreadsheets or even lists of tasks with dates clearly marked next to them for quick reference, on a Word document. The aim here is to think about who uses these - if a small team of developers they should have something that is easy to read and on a program they are likely to have on their PCs. </p>
<p>But the most important task involved in timelines is the management of expectations - especially the client&#8217;s.  If the client understands from the outset that some tasks cannot be started until completion/signoff of another task and a delay may cause delays to the end date then any argument about which program to use for a project plan seems piffling in comparison.</p>
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		<title>By: Klaus Wiedemann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Klaus Wiedemann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 10:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After years in project management and also working as a project management coach, I am still looking for somebody telling me that he/she REALLY run a project from start to end with MS Project (actually, Rajesh above claims that...)

I've seen quite often that people start with Project (e.g. to get some nice drawings of a project plan) but tend to abondon it quite soon afterwards. 
Why?
Well, for really large projects (I was working on some with &#62;200 developers), Project is just too lightweight. Here, you need much more controlling capabilities and a solid multi-user database to keep track of everything. The tight integration of planning, controlling and drag/drop modification of project plans together with automated recalculation of a schedule causes very easy a schedule where you do not know anymore whether you looking at the current version, a version of last week or a "new version" reflecting the latest controlling data.

On the other side, I guess most projects are just small scale, with less than 10 or even 5 people involved. Here, the issue is a missing (or very poor) integration with the daily calendars of the project team, and -most important- the fact that in small projects chances are high that people have parallel projects. So, you usually have on one side a tool which gives the impression that everything is under control while at the other side the data within the tool tend to not reflect reality any more.

Is there a solution to it? Not yet (we are currentyl developing a P2P based tool to adress this issue), but I've seen a lot of people just going back to Excel: Here you can track what's really important for you and have full control of all KPI (as you have to calculate them on your own). Drawback: requires some advance Excel skills, no drawings and does not scale beyond a certain size of your project team.

Klaus

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After years in project management and also working as a project management coach, I am still looking for somebody telling me that he/she REALLY run a project from start to end with MS Project (actually, Rajesh above claims that&#8230;)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen quite often that people start with Project (e.g. to get some nice drawings of a project plan) but tend to abondon it quite soon afterwards.<br />
Why?<br />
Well, for really large projects (I was working on some with &gt;200 developers), Project is just too lightweight. Here, you need much more controlling capabilities and a solid multi-user database to keep track of everything. The tight integration of planning, controlling and drag/drop modification of project plans together with automated recalculation of a schedule causes very easy a schedule where you do not know anymore whether you looking at the current version, a version of last week or a &#8220;new version&#8221; reflecting the latest controlling data.</p>
<p>On the other side, I guess most projects are just small scale, with less than 10 or even 5 people involved. Here, the issue is a missing (or very poor) integration with the daily calendars of the project team, and -most important- the fact that in small projects chances are high that people have parallel projects. So, you usually have on one side a tool which gives the impression that everything is under control while at the other side the data within the tool tend to not reflect reality any more.</p>
<p>Is there a solution to it? Not yet (we are currentyl developing a P2P based tool to adress this issue), but I&#8217;ve seen a lot of people just going back to Excel: Here you can track what&#8217;s really important for you and have full control of all KPI (as you have to calculate them on your own). Drawback: requires some advance Excel skills, no drawings and does not scale beyond a certain size of your project team.</p>
<p>Klaus</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 01:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some day I would like to work on a project with a full MSProject implementation.  I'm not sure it will ever happen.  It seems like to use it in real time on a large project you need someone to use it in real time.  Isn't there something better I could be doing with that person?

In the mean time, it makes real nice GANTT calendars for sales packages, and it isn't half bad for initial planning.  But tracking?  Maybe someday I'll get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some day I would like to work on a project with a full MSProject implementation.  I&#8217;m not sure it will ever happen.  It seems like to use it in real time on a large project you need someone to use it in real time.  Isn&#8217;t there something better I could be doing with that person?</p>
<p>In the mean time, it makes real nice GANTT calendars for sales packages, and it isn&#8217;t half bad for initial planning.  But tracking?  Maybe someday I&#8217;ll get it.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Harder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Harder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, I have to agree with many of the comments regarding using MS Project. I've been using timeline software since Symantec made TimeLine 1.0 (that dates me!). 

Anyway, Project is a great tool to express to customers that you have a vague idea that you know what the hell you are doing. Gantt charts show cool bars and milestone diamonds that make customers comfortable that you've thought about what you are doing.

For managers, it does give you the chance to analyze and understand the impact of changes to the project when one task changes (slipping deliveries, adjustments to labor).

MS Project, along with other project management tools, have bad habits, especially with labor allocation. But it is also useful for performing estimates.

I agree that project plans and costing should be discussed with everyone involved to verify that the number of hours the system is proposing is right or off. 

One tip that I've found is that the more detailed a project plan is, the more likely a customer will micro-manage you. What I've found is that I create two project plans. One, at a higher level, is the one I give my customer so that no task is shorter than a week. The other, more detailed version is the one I use with my team.

Regards,

Paul</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I have to agree with many of the comments regarding using MS Project. I&#8217;ve been using timeline software since Symantec made TimeLine 1.0 (that dates me!). </p>
<p>Anyway, Project is a great tool to express to customers that you have a vague idea that you know what the hell you are doing. Gantt charts show cool bars and milestone diamonds that make customers comfortable that you&#8217;ve thought about what you are doing.</p>
<p>For managers, it does give you the chance to analyze and understand the impact of changes to the project when one task changes (slipping deliveries, adjustments to labor).</p>
<p>MS Project, along with other project management tools, have bad habits, especially with labor allocation. But it is also useful for performing estimates.</p>
<p>I agree that project plans and costing should be discussed with everyone involved to verify that the number of hours the system is proposing is right or off. </p>
<p>One tip that I&#8217;ve found is that the more detailed a project plan is, the more likely a customer will micro-manage you. What I&#8217;ve found is that I create two project plans. One, at a higher level, is the one I give my customer so that no task is shorter than a week. The other, more detailed version is the one I use with my team.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Paul</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Stibbe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Stibbe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 07:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my "Marketing Devil's Dictionary" I define Project as "A piece of software that transforms lies into pretty diagrams. No one knows how it works but everyone insists you use it. And for goodness sake, never ask it to level resources automatically. It has been suggested that Microsoft developed Project in order to make project management an art rather than a science. Personally, I think it is still a religion and Project is its liturgy." 

Having run a software company for 12 years before I got into the writing business, I know whereof I speak!

More definitions: http://www.badlanguage.net/the-devils-marketing-dictionary-part-3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my &#8220;Marketing Devil&#8217;s Dictionary&#8221; I define Project as &#8220;A piece of software that transforms lies into pretty diagrams. No one knows how it works but everyone insists you use it. And for goodness sake, never ask it to level resources automatically. It has been suggested that Microsoft developed Project in order to make project management an art rather than a science. Personally, I think it is still a religion and Project is its liturgy.&#8221; </p>
<p>Having run a software company for 12 years before I got into the writing business, I know whereof I speak!</p>
<p>More definitions: <a href="http://www.badlanguage.net/the-devils-marketing-dictionary-part-3" rel="nofollow">http://www.badlanguage.net/the-devils-marketing-dictionary-part-3</a></p>
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		<title>By: Scott Carpenter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Carpenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 05:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MS Project used well does a good job to plan and keep track of progress.. Used poorly and it's a waste of time.

To use it well -
* Schedule realistically - adjust estimates according to risk/complexity of certain tasks. Ask team members to provide input on the level of complexity of tasks when planning.
* Don't micro-manage - create tasks and milestones at an appropriate level of detail.
* Manage well - seek regular feedback on project progress and adjust the schedule accordingly.

To use it poorly -
* Assume anything you don't understand is easy to do (credit to Dilbert for this one :) ).
* Create the project plan in isolation to the people who will actually be doing the work.
* Assume all people on the team provide 40 hours a week of productive project time.
* Assume the team all have the same experience and ability.
* Assume nobody takes sick leave, annual leave, attend training sessions or staff meetings, or have any other work commitments.
* Schedule every possible task and activity of the project (including toilet breaks).
* Create a very aggressive and optimistic schedule - assume everything will work right the first time.
* Print the plan once, attach it to the meeting room wall, and leave untouched for the duration of the project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MS Project used well does a good job to plan and keep track of progress.. Used poorly and it&#8217;s a waste of time.</p>
<p>To use it well -<br />
* Schedule realistically - adjust estimates according to risk/complexity of certain tasks. Ask team members to provide input on the level of complexity of tasks when planning.<br />
* Don&#8217;t micro-manage - create tasks and milestones at an appropriate level of detail.<br />
* Manage well - seek regular feedback on project progress and adjust the schedule accordingly.</p>
<p>To use it poorly -<br />
* Assume anything you don&#8217;t understand is easy to do (credit to Dilbert for this one <img src='http://freelanceswitch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> ).<br />
* Create the project plan in isolation to the people who will actually be doing the work.<br />
* Assume all people on the team provide 40 hours a week of productive project time.<br />
* Assume the team all have the same experience and ability.<br />
* Assume nobody takes sick leave, annual leave, attend training sessions or staff meetings, or have any other work commitments.<br />
* Schedule every possible task and activity of the project (including toilet breaks).<br />
* Create a very aggressive and optimistic schedule - assume everything will work right the first time.<br />
* Print the plan once, attach it to the meeting room wall, and leave untouched for the duration of the project.</p>
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		<title>By: Rajesh Shakya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rajesh Shakya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 04:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been using MS Project for the last few years. It is very much helpful when you are managing large project with multiple resources and activities. For small size projects, sometime I feel it makes things complicated.

Rajesh Shakya
http://www.rajeshshakya.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been using MS Project for the last few years. It is very much helpful when you are managing large project with multiple resources and activities. For small size projects, sometime I feel it makes things complicated.</p>
<p>Rajesh Shakya<br />
<a href="http://www.rajeshshakya.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.rajeshshakya.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kevinjohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevinjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 01:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say that i have the opposite experience of MS Project.

If the entire team (devs, designers, database-ers, PMs etc) are all in the one building, then MS Project is total overkill. In that instance, a free open source project like GanttProject does the job nicely.

But if i'm working on multiple projects, with multiple timelines, with shared resources, across more than one location; then MS Project really come into it's own.

And if you HAVE to stick to a management methodology (e.g. Prince 2) for goverment departmental oversight, then MS Project is really handy.

I think the thing to realise is that when seeing a job advertised, it's rarely written by the people who actually want to hire you. It's either written by HR (who copy the previous ad or from their competitor) or it's by a recruiter who's looking to cover the bases as he doesn't know the technology.

I mean, who's gone for a web design job where the recruit has told you that 5 years JAVA experience is an absolute must, when really any small javaScript knowledge will do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say that i have the opposite experience of MS Project.</p>
<p>If the entire team (devs, designers, database-ers, PMs etc) are all in the one building, then MS Project is total overkill. In that instance, a free open source project like GanttProject does the job nicely.</p>
<p>But if i&#8217;m working on multiple projects, with multiple timelines, with shared resources, across more than one location; then MS Project really come into it&#8217;s own.</p>
<p>And if you HAVE to stick to a management methodology (e.g. Prince 2) for goverment departmental oversight, then MS Project is really handy.</p>
<p>I think the thing to realise is that when seeing a job advertised, it&#8217;s rarely written by the people who actually want to hire you. It&#8217;s either written by HR (who copy the previous ad or from their competitor) or it&#8217;s by a recruiter who&#8217;s looking to cover the bases as he doesn&#8217;t know the technology.</p>
<p>I mean, who&#8217;s gone for a web design job where the recruit has told you that 5 years JAVA experience is an absolute must, when really any small javaScript knowledge will do?</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin M. Scarbrough</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin M. Scarbrough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 00:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good luck, Rob!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good luck, Rob!</p>
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		<title>By: Whitewood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Whitewood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 20:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tools like MS Project are to many PM's the proverbial hammer (when you have a hammer, everything is a nail). Having said that, when used properly the potential of MS Project is enormous. Unfortunately not many PM's know how to harness the power of MS P. 

It's not the tools fault, it's the incompetent / inexperienced PM's fault.

@Rob: Experienced PM's know that only about 75% (or less) of a working day is productive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tools like MS Project are to many PM&#8217;s the proverbial hammer (when you have a hammer, everything is a nail). Having said that, when used properly the potential of MS Project is enormous. Unfortunately not many PM&#8217;s know how to harness the power of MS P. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not the tools fault, it&#8217;s the incompetent / inexperienced PM&#8217;s fault.</p>
<p>@Rob: Experienced PM&#8217;s know that only about 75% (or less) of a working day is productive.</p>
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