N.C. Winters is always drawing. When he isn't making comics, doodling or working as a freelance graphic artist, he spends his time painting pretty pictures for galleries from his home studio in sunny southern California.
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Oh man, you don’t know how many times this has happened to me!
This dude reads my mind…
This almost echoes what happens on places like elance… So true! So annoying!
Haha, can’t wait to stop being a student ;P
I down-right LOVE these comics. For some reason, they just click. And eventually, in 5-6 years, it’ll continue to click in the same fashion.
Thanks for the hard work you put into these comics. A budding freelancer likes me appreciates this raw output of what we’ve been trying to say all along.
everybody wants a better price. It has been said to death here on FS and everywhere else, but how you come across to the prospect highly determines how comfortable they are with asking for discounts.
Is the second frame an allusion to a film or something?
He’s reading my mind too. I feel your pain man, I feel it.
I’m kinda curious to know what it is the old lady want’s in the first place.
It must be website for the cat…
Lord. I’m 30, been in the biz for almost 6 years, and clients still want me to discount hours where I learn something. I’m always learning, but I ain’t no starving student. You DO get what you pay for!
lol, now why’d you make the client amiable as a grannie?
That is to funny!
I know how that goes
Great. So true.
Haha nice, that’s when you realize it’s not the right client for you and drop them.
This is very true BUT
I think this kind of negative thinking can reveal other problems that the designer doesn’t realize:
1) Just because you’re objectively better than the design student doesn’t mean that he couldn’t deliver exactly what the client wanted as well as the veteran. Extreme case in point: if all they wanted was a one-page black and white flyer in large comic sans lettering to put up on bulletin boards. You may feel good that you can create table-less wordpress designs from scratch, but the client might not (and probably won’t) care, they just want a website that works.
2) More importantly, taking the first part into account, is that perhaps you aren’t marketing yourself to the correct clients, i.e. the ones that require your expertise, won’t settle for less, and are willing to pay for it. It’s the designer in the strip’s fault that he’s wasting his time doing business with a grandma with a cat.
It is no fun on the student side either. Once the prospect finds out that you are a student, they automatically start asking for discounts or not believing your pricing.
It’s no fun on any side. If they don’t like the price, just move on.
Happen to me everytime. >_<
jajaja good one…
That is so true…
Saludos from Argentina
The image of the granny fits perfectly! I just had an older women call me about designing a website to sell a book she had written about her cats! Our conversation was almost identical to the comic strip. N.C. Winter, once again you’ve nailed it.
Grandma’s playing hardball.
This happens very often. I gues it’s part of the business.
im curious as to what the grannie needed the design work for….
Yesterday i was asked if I could send a poster design in Word format as well as PDF, ….. so that they could edit the information if need be.
Arvin makes an interesting point: “Just because you’re objectively better than the design student doesn’t mean that he couldn’t deliver exactly what the client wanted as well as the veteran.” I think the situation is more to the effect that the person who charges more is not always objectively better — sometimes they just have a longer resume. We have a discussion about this at http://skillocracy.wordpress.com. Come check it out – our freelance website will be live soon!
Where you tapping my phone?! This is the same, exact Conversation!
I find discussions such as this one very interesting. As a student, I do indeed charge less than a profesional would. After a conversation I had with a very profesional graphic design last night I have decided that I should charge more than I currently do.
The reason for this is that I do provide all (if not more) of the documentation that a profesional would provide. Compared to the majority of students, I am extremely profesional yet clients see my prices and age and believe otherwise.
So, by reading discussions about what students do wrong I can learn how to do better.
At least he said no.
The client has not met a freelancer graduated from a top design college yet.
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