“Ask Jonathan” Marketing Breakout: How To Get Prospects To Take You Seriously… Dammit!
Jonathan FieldsThis week’s column is the second installment in my Ask Jonathan marketing series. Please send questions for future columns to me at jonathan AT jonathanfields DOT com
This week’s column takes us squarely into “nobody takes me seriously” land. Our letter comes from Chris Ryman, a principal in the two year-old IT consultancy, Engineerity LLC.:
Dear Jonathan,
I am a partner in a small IT/computer consulting business. My business partner and I have been building the business for about two years, and I just quit my full time job to work full time for myself.
…our marketing strategy is different, mostly word of mouth with a touch of sales. Here’s where our problem comes in. Although my business partner and I have 15 years combine experience, and have worked on numerous projects together, etc, most people ignore, or otherwise don’t care about us when we try and speak with them about their IT and how we may be able to supplement or help their current IT situation. We believe this is because we are so young, I am 22, and my business partner is 24. If a company does give us a chance, they are almost immediately sold on our services.
My question is how can I market myself/my company in such a way that people will take me seriously and even more so, just give us the one chance we need to impress them?
Okay, we’re going to drill down a few levels, here. But, for those looking for the short and sweet answer, it’s not about age, it’s about credibility and value and, Chris, somewhere in your materials, your conversations, your pitch and your service, there’s a need that is not being filled.
Is age really a factor?
In some professions, age is definitely a major factor in the sales process. I don’t want a 25 year-old whiz-kid neurosurgeon operating on me any more than I want the barista at my local Starbucks doing my taxes (no offense to any CPA baristas). And, at the older end of the spectrum, as much as corporate-culture denies it, ageism is very much alive and well. In fact, it even tends of be tied to certain specific industries and career-paths.
But, of all the industries I know of, IT has got to be amongst the most youth-friendly cultures around.
In fact, youth is largely a badge of honor in IT.
At the ripe old age of 42, I am pretty ancient, but a close friend of mine started his own IT consultancy in his early twenties and quickly found himself swamped with business. Among his early clients was a $20-billion banking conglomerate that retained him to develop an enterprise-level credit risk-management platform that was considered mission-critical.
Take a look at some of the most well-known “consultants” and experts in the online and IT world these days. Guys like Muhammad Saleem and Neil Patel are in their early 20s, but are considered “gurus” in the field of social media networking and online platform development. Even at the enterprise level, a friend of mine who ran the entire IT operation for one of the largest hospitality brands in the world was always desperate to find and retain the best and the brightest, who, he shared, were also very often the youngest.
So, no, without even sitting in on a single client pitch, I can tell you, it’s not an age thing.
At least not on the clients’ side. But, it may be an age thing from your side. What does that mean? Your concern about the prospects’ perception that age equals inability will almost invariably flow through to your confidence, even if you don’t realize it. It will make you hesitant and defensive in a million little ways that you don’t even pick up on. It’ll change your body language, tone, demeanor and choice of words.
And, here’s the thing. You very likely won’t be aware of this…but, your prospects will be. Even if only on a sub-textual level. And, that reads as a credibility and value gap that will send prospects running. The question is, what can we do about it?
Short answer…get over it!
And, start focusing on where the real problem is—credibility and value. Just like price is never about price, age is never about age. It’s about credibility and value. So, if you do what is necessary to build credibility and value, even for the rare prospect where age might have been an issue before learning about you, it goes immediately off the table. How do we do this?
Pre-emptive credibility building.
What do you think would happen with all of your pitches if, before someone ever got on the phone or sat down with you, they loved you and believed they couldn’t get on without you? Hmmm. That’s right, it would make every sale a slam-dunk. So, how can we create this preemptive credibility and value? Here are a couple of suggestions:
Building preemptive credibility and value online: This is, by far, the easier and most effective approach. What is the key tool? Your blog and website. And, right away, we’ve got a big problem here. The website for Engineerity LLC. is the default theme from Wordpress. It has no images, almost no text, no sophistication…and no credibility or value. But, it goes beyond that, the lack of a professional online presence, even a simple one, actually sends a very amateurish, unsophisticated, budget-level message. It represents your brand and, looking at it, my first instinct would be to find someone else to work with. Your online brand makes your age an issue, because it tells the world you are green. Here are some things you need to change right away:
- Get a new theme and add basic, relevant content – even if you keep the blog as your main online presence. Change the theme so it looks like you care and develop more of an integrated blog-site format. My blog is an example of an integrated blog-site designed around a custom theme that also allows me not only to blog, but to promote services, build interest and accept inquiries. Check out Brian Clark’s Copyblogger, too, as a great example of a well integrated blog site. Items you absolutely must include:
- Authoritative articles (see below)
- Social-proof – see my last Ask Jonathan column with a detailed discussion about building credibility through press and testimonials
- Bullet list of benefits of working with you – include any specific industry expertise
- Case-studies of successful client outcomes
- Brief bios for you and your partner
- Contact information and inquiry form
- Extra-tip – put your navigation menu across the top to make it feel more like a traditional website for more traditional prospects.
- Blog with authority – write a weekly 1-3,000 word article that is highly-useful and speaks to a problem that is pervasive among the clients you seek to attract. Specialize in a specific industry, at least at the beginning. This will make it a lot easier to differentiate yourself more quickly. Make sure you use precise, industry-specific keywords in the title.
In the article, give a lot of information away for free, even stuff you feel you should get paid for. Offer solutions that are intelligent, workable and, for people who are very capable, doable. Why? Because (1) it helps establish you as an authority in the application of your skills in their industry and (2) even when you tell people exactly what to do, a big chunk of them will say, “wow, great idea,” but still not want to do it themselves. And, they become your subscribers and hottest prospects.
- Write for print-media (oh-my!) and speak – find industry magazines and print newsletters and small conferences or events and offer to write a regular column or speak for free. Why print? Because, a lot of business people still don’t know what blogs are (can you even imagine?) This is all about platform building. The more people see and hear your name, the more established and qualified they believe you to be…even if you’re a total hack (not saying you are, my friend, I just know plenty of high-profile folks who are, um, let’s say, two cards short of a full deck).
- Write for online media – Write similar articles for other blogs and websites but not websites in the IT world. Actually, this applies to the above bullet-point, too. Focus, instead, on a specific industry and then establish yourself as the go-to IT guy for that industry. Stop asking them to come to you and go meet them where they already are.
Look at your live pitch.
Conquering the online end of things will prime prospects to be much more receptive before you even have your first conversation. It will build preemptive credibility and value. Because, guaranteed, anyone who calls and is serious about wanting a problem solved will look at your website first. Plus, done right, a blog-site can be a huge lead-generation tool in its own right.
Before I sign off here, though, I want to jump back to my comment about ageism potentially being an issue from your side, rather than the client’s side.
I don’t know if you’ve ever had any really good sales training, but, if you are serious about launching a new company, I think it is mission-critical. Many people are masters at their trades, but their lack of fundamental, let alone high-level rapport, persuasion and sales skills consistently takes them out of the game.
Study sales and persuasion like you study IT.
Remember, the moment you start your own business, you’ve actually just started taken on not one, but two jobs, Chris the IT guru and Chris the chief marketing and sales executive. So, spend the small bit of time and money learning not only how to provide the service promised, but how to get the opportunity to deliver the service, too. Because, you can’t have the former unless you master the latter. This article on powerhouse marketing and sales techniques should get you started nicely.
And, remember, especially in the world of IT, it’s not about age, it’s about credibility and value. Establish these two elements and it won’t matter whether your 14 or 140 (well, actually 14 would be illegal and 140 would be, well, just kind of icky, but you get the point).
So, Chris, I hope this was helpful. Keep us all updated and to everyone else in our wonderful FSw community, feel free to chime in and offer your thoughts, advice and questions. Every voice adds value!
If you’d like to be considered for a future Ask Jonathan column, just e-mail me at jonathan AT jonathanfields DOT com and include your contact info, scenario and advice desired.





















mj
November 22nd, 2007
I’m 22, and experienced the same problem, once we went to pitch for a rather large project. Everything went well before we met the client, emails, proposals and drafts.
But once we got down to the meeting, we didn’t make the sale. And a friend of the client quoted his boss after the meeting, “But they’re just kids!”. It goes without saying we didn’t get the job.
I feel some clients will always perceive age as a factor in reliability and ability, and there’s not much us younger ones can do about it
shafiu
November 22nd, 2007
I think you would need an attractive/serious looking website for clients to get a better image of you.
John Sadler
November 22nd, 2007
Jonathan I like what you say and agree. I am 57 years old and that really is old, but I feel like I still have a lot to offer. I started my blog just 2 months ago under the tutelage of Yaro Starak and I am building my readership and credibility with each post. My driver is to show how NLP can make marketing more effective by improving communication. For now my blog is written with no obligation on the reader. I have an affiliate link where that is relevant, but at some point that will become an opportunity where I can offer value to my readers in dollar terms and a business will get up and running.
Grace Smith
November 22nd, 2007
I find case studies like this are hugely beneficial. I have to agree with Jonathon when i visited your site i was immediately switched off, a website is part of your sales pitch so its important to have a professional online presence that provides value for potential clients and is an important area in your sales funnel. This has got to be one of your priorities for building credibility. Having an elevator pitch when networking is also essential and is well worth practising!
Shama Hyder
November 22nd, 2007
I understand this issue-because I was there myself a few years ago. Being in your 20’s and a marketing consultant can be tough sometimes, but I used many of the strategies Jonathan has mentioned to grow past that. I have a blog-site that attracts thousands of visitors, and my clients are able to look directly at the quality of my work. This inspires their trust-but I had to earn it.
If you are younger-the truth is- you do have to work harder. A splash of sales and word of mouth will not cut it. You do have to go the distance to build your business. But the good part is that there are plenty of resources to help you. If you have the intent, then nothing can really stop you.
Best of Luck!
Shane Pearlman
November 22nd, 2007
Age just ain’t it. I started consulting at 21 and by 25 had a harem of fortune 500’s and government clients. I did have to learn how to build posture, in order to drive credibility. The website was good, but what made the biggest differences for me:
1) words + pitch, pace and pauses. I find that certain words drive confidence and others detract. Speaking clearly, with a steady upbeat pace, using an authoritative voice and more than anything, listening, rather than just speaking.
2) dress. I make a habit of dressing at one step above what I expect the person meeting me will wear. If they have jeans, I wear slacks. If they have slacks, I have a jacket. You get the idea. It is super easy to dress down if you are off, but when I was meeting with 50 year old international execs, I needed every bit of credibility I could muster.
There are a few others, but I have just been ordered to go carry 20 pounds of bird. Good luck
Robert
November 22nd, 2007
I have one advice for Christ - setup some new (custom one would be the best) theme for your Wordpress. I would never take anybody seriously after seeing site like this (especially if they would like to sell me some “IT consulting”). Cheers
miwkawi
November 22nd, 2007
I had a client once wo said that i’m really young when we first met (early twenties) - but at the end he didn’t care because the product was good
Joel Casarez
November 23rd, 2007
“…our marketing strategy is different, mostly word of mouth with a touch of sales.”
Chris, don’t underestimate the power of sales by word of mouth. Never be afraid to self promote and be ready to ask for a referral/lead from a satisfied customer.
As for pitching your services, make sure you focus on the benefits of your services. Often times sales people forget that its not all about the features. Its about how you can, like Johnathan said, create “value.” Try selling by adding Credibility (so and so was satisfied and heres what they had to say), leading in with Features (networking solutions), providing Evidence (fully integrated hardware) , and explaining how you can Benefit their company (lower life cycle cost).
VonSkippy
November 23rd, 2007
They don’t mention what size of IT projects they’re shooting for. Unless it’s just Mom & Pop businesses, I’d drop the “combined 15 years” pitch. No one in a real IT shop is going to believe it when you’re talking about a 22 and a 24 year old. And I’m guessing what a 22 and a 24 year old calls “experience” the real IT shop’s are calling “dabbling”.
Don’t just tell them what you “can” do - show them what you’ve already successfully done for somebody else.
Without evidence to support your “experience” claim, I don’t know of any IT Manager that’s going to trust his companies equipment/data/users/biz intel and his departments rep (and budget) to a couple of unknowns.
And the original articles advice that age doesn’t matter - ummmm, no - it definitely matters. Businesses are very risk adverse, and if you’re young, your generations rep is dogging you until you prove you’re the exception to the rule.
Japan Consulting Company
November 23rd, 2007
don’t be sad if other people were underestimating your capacity just because your too young. instead prove to them that you could also do as much as the older ones do. actually, it doesn’t matter what your age is, what matters most is your ability and the quality of your work. ^_^
Jonathan Fields
November 23rd, 2007
Hey gang,
As always, great comments from the community! Credibility and value. If you build substantial pre-emptive credibility, show up with a meticulous, bright, mature pitch, offer additional credibility in the form of more references and client outcomes when you are with the client, you’ll read as having tremendous value, regardless of your age.
@ VonSkippy, great point about the size of the prospect, you do need to target “suitable” opening prospects. So, you are not going to pitch a multi-national project that would require 100 consultants operating internationally until you’ve not only got the credibility and value to impress that client, but also the operating capability.
I still completely disagree, though, about age “definitely” mattering. Age matters if (a) you have not built enough value and credibility through your combined actions and track-record or (b) you get a hiring manager or client who is more concerned with the prestige of the consultants they hire than the quality of the outcomes they produce. Yes, those people do exist, but they are increasingly becoming the relics in the industry.
My real concern here is that all too often things like age become a convenient excuse for not undertaking the incredibly hard work of making yourself extraordinary. Which flows into your last paragraph.
As for your generation’s rep “dogging you until you prove you’re the exception to the rule,” guess what, if you go out and launch a full-time IT consulting firm at the age of 22, that takes some major league guts, hat’s off to you, but…if you expect to succeed, you darn well better work harder, smarter and faster than everyone else to MAKE YOURSELF the exception to the rule!
Joefrey Mahusay
November 23rd, 2007
I think age is doesn’t matter if you are capable of doing the job. But as i can see now, most clients are not preferable on younger age because they think of job experience.
Great article though..Keep up the good job.:)
joseph hollak
November 23rd, 2007
Jonathan -
Great post.
In particular the bullet points were useful and a great reminder.
Joseph Hollak
Jason
November 26th, 2007
Johnathan:
I strongly object to the use of this comment in your post:
“…well, actually 14 would be illegal…”
At the young age of 15, I am currently the sole proprietor of JRB Computer Services, LLC. I have encountered the same problems as the two young men that you address in this post, and to some degree, I encounter more problems in my day-to-day running of my company. I am perfectly able to perform web development, search engine optimization, et. al. with the competency (and maybe more) of non-minors in the field. I pay my taxes, just like non-minors in the field. I work my ass off, in addition to attending school, and I think that I am starting to grow gray hairs due to the stress that I am constantly under. However, the comment that you made above is very derogatory towards people like me–exceptions to the rule.
In the state of New Jersey, it is perfectly legal to be the sole registrant on a LLC/Incorporation application as a minor. I would imagine that the same is so for most (if not all) other states. In some states, though, I believe that minors are required to list a non-minor as a “board member” on the registration, however.
Although you do a good job at pointing out that “age is never about age. It’s about credibility and value. So, if you do what is necessary to build credibility and value, even for the rare prospect where age might have been an issue before learning about you, it goes immediately off the table.” However, at the same time, you manage to strip those of us under 18 of the right to own, manage and operate a business. If you want to attack those of us who you feel do not have the right to be in business–the minor demographic–then don’t let on that age is not a factor in business.
Jason Berlinsky
JRB Computer Services
http://www.jrbcomputerservices.com/
Jonathan Fields
November 26th, 2007
@ Jason - thanks for your comment, I thought it was pretty clear I was kidding in my last line about being 14 or 140 years old. When I was 14, which was many lifetimes ago, there were some fairly significant legal limitations on how much I could work. I guess that’s all changed now. Apologies if you took offense and, of course, congrats on accomplishing so much so early in life!
Jason
November 26th, 2007
Jonathan:
Sorry to come off so harsh. No offense taken, and thanks!
Jason Berlinsky
JRB Computer Services
http://www.jrbcomputerservices.com/