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		<title>By: hank</title>
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		<dc:creator>hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 18:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a beginning freelance designer, I have a few suggestions for all the comments and a few  comments on the subject of crowdsourcing...
1. I think that as business people, the owners of these sites should get a kudos, I figured that 99designs is making near $400,000.00 (yearly) (not too shabby). For one site thats pretty good I think. (low overhead). Just from this you can be certain many more of these will come. 
2. For small business and start-up owners this is great, most are already in way over their head and 
affordable design is a great pull. If you think about it, whats to stop them from ripping off what they have already seen (downloaded), so design for the cost of the submission fee. this is a great deal for them.
3. For designers against this, suggestions are perhaps submit entries that are ads to your portfolio or a 
ad sheet image, I think it is possible to submit whatever you want to submit, Does not need to be related to the brief. So if the site was inundated with tons of ad submissions the buyers would get frustrated due to overload, the designers would start dropping out to.
4. Why not start your own crowd sourcing page. This can generate potential clients, you can increase your talent pool at the same time, You can eliminate too much consultation for a client that only needs(wants) a nice business card and charge them $40 for little effort.

In conclusion I think that these sites address a market niche that is here to stay, it is a change in the way we do things, the internet is so vast and many sites are great and many sites are just plane old butt ugly, this will not change, but I think that if you want a larger piece of the pie you need to re-evaluate you're thinking about crowd sourcing sites, after all if you have been in the design business a while you know the technology is changing very fast, this requires you to also change your attitude about it.
How many of you are still using Photoshop 1?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a beginning freelance designer, I have a few suggestions for all the comments and a few  comments on the subject of crowdsourcing&#8230;<br />
1. I think that as business people, the owners of these sites should get a kudos, I figured that 99designs is making near $400,000.00 (yearly) (not too shabby). For one site thats pretty good I think. (low overhead). Just from this you can be certain many more of these will come.<br />
2. For small business and start-up owners this is great, most are already in way over their head and<br />
affordable design is a great pull. If you think about it, whats to stop them from ripping off what they have already seen (downloaded), so design for the cost of the submission fee. this is a great deal for them.<br />
3. For designers against this, suggestions are perhaps submit entries that are ads to your portfolio or a<br />
ad sheet image, I think it is possible to submit whatever you want to submit, Does not need to be related to the brief. So if the site was inundated with tons of ad submissions the buyers would get frustrated due to overload, the designers would start dropping out to.<br />
4. Why not start your own crowd sourcing page. This can generate potential clients, you can increase your talent pool at the same time, You can eliminate too much consultation for a client that only needs(wants) a nice business card and charge them $40 for little effort.</p>
<p>In conclusion I think that these sites address a market niche that is here to stay, it is a change in the way we do things, the internet is so vast and many sites are great and many sites are just plane old butt ugly, this will not change, but I think that if you want a larger piece of the pie you need to re-evaluate you&#8217;re thinking about crowd sourcing sites, after all if you have been in the design business a while you know the technology is changing very fast, this requires you to also change your attitude about it.<br />
How many of you are still using Photoshop 1?</p>
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		<title>By: Be Good Not Bad &#124; Brian Warren &#124; Designers who Blog: Design, Illustration, Photography, Web, Advertising, Branding ...</title>
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		<dc:creator>Be Good Not Bad &#124; Brian Warren &#124; Designers who Blog: Design, Illustration, Photography, Web, Advertising, Branding ...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] continues on at David Airey&#8217;s with Spec work in the internet age and at Freelance Switch with Design Contests, Devaluing Design, and Is It Ever OK? and at Angie Herrera&#8217;s with Design contests don’t bring the best of anything and at Adam [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] continues on at David Airey&#8217;s with Spec work in the internet age and at Freelance Switch with Design Contests, Devaluing Design, and Is It Ever OK? and at Angie Herrera&#8217;s with Design contests don’t bring the best of anything and at Adam [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: AMYHAYWOOD.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Design Contests, BLAH</title>
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		<dc:creator>AMYHAYWOOD.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Design Contests, BLAH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 04:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I ran across Spec Work in the Internet Age on the Google Reader this afternoon. Which, in turn, led me to an interesting article that the Freelance Switch Blog posted: Design Contests, Devaluing Design and Is It Ever OK? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] I ran across Spec Work in the Internet Age on the Google Reader this afternoon. Which, in turn, led me to an interesting article that the Freelance Switch Blog posted: Design Contests, Devaluing Design and Is It Ever OK? [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Spec work in the internet age &#124; David Airey :: Graphic and Logo Designer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spec work in the internet age &#124; David Airey :: Graphic and Logo Designer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 23:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Collis Ta&#8217;eed, of FreelanceSwitch, publishes, Design Contests, Devaluing Design, and Is It Ever OK? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Collis Ta&#8217;eed, of FreelanceSwitch, publishes, Design Contests, Devaluing Design, and Is It Ever OK? [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Sparky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sparky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stever:

"I hold design contests to get logo’s made for my clients. I like it and my clients love it."

Of course you love it. You don't have to:
A. Consult with your client on what they truly need (it's called "branding").
B. Thinking of a concept yourself that embodies the marketing vision of the company (branding).

No that's too hard. That's work. Hey, why work too hard trying to think when you can get a hundred hungry design students to do it for you? Then all you have to do is pick from the pile for the "coolest" logo. Really, who cares about sitting down with a client and being consultative?

It's much easier to throw up a contest on a web site, sit back, and collect the desperate attempts to hit a blurry target.

For that matter, what kind of client doesn't have a well-enough established vision of their business that they don't know how to articulate what the logo should look like more than to say something vague like, "Not too many colors, we want it like web 2.0?"

My point here is that creating a logo isn't only about drawing vectors and selecting a font. The reason you pay top dollar for good design is because the good designers want to ask questions and learn about the business they're designing for before sketching a concept. That's what we get paid for, not just the execution. That's what all the learnin' was for.

I'm disgusted with the job posts on a certain "guru" site right now. Posts like this:

"We want a series of book illustrations, 40-50. They should be professional quality. It's a book about dogs. You decide the style. We'll pick from the best drawings sent in and the winner will get the job. I'm sorry, but we can't pay more than $250 for all of them. There will be more work in the future if you do this well."

This is disgusting, and the "artists" who take on these types of jobs do us all a disservice. That's why a $200 logo design contest should be ignored. On some level I agree that you have to decide for yourself if the value of the contest is worth it, and some contests have a publicity factor that make them a good marketing opp. However, those are few and far between.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stever:</p>
<p>&#8220;I hold design contests to get logo’s made for my clients. I like it and my clients love it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course you love it. You don&#8217;t have to:<br />
A. Consult with your client on what they truly need (it&#8217;s called &#8220;branding&#8221;).<br />
B. Thinking of a concept yourself that embodies the marketing vision of the company (branding).</p>
<p>No that&#8217;s too hard. That&#8217;s work. Hey, why work too hard trying to think when you can get a hundred hungry design students to do it for you? Then all you have to do is pick from the pile for the &#8220;coolest&#8221; logo. Really, who cares about sitting down with a client and being consultative?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s much easier to throw up a contest on a web site, sit back, and collect the desperate attempts to hit a blurry target.</p>
<p>For that matter, what kind of client doesn&#8217;t have a well-enough established vision of their business that they don&#8217;t know how to articulate what the logo should look like more than to say something vague like, &#8220;Not too many colors, we want it like web 2.0?&#8221;</p>
<p>My point here is that creating a logo isn&#8217;t only about drawing vectors and selecting a font. The reason you pay top dollar for good design is because the good designers want to ask questions and learn about the business they&#8217;re designing for before sketching a concept. That&#8217;s what we get paid for, not just the execution. That&#8217;s what all the learnin&#8217; was for.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m disgusted with the job posts on a certain &#8220;guru&#8221; site right now. Posts like this:</p>
<p>&#8220;We want a series of book illustrations, 40-50. They should be professional quality. It&#8217;s a book about dogs. You decide the style. We&#8217;ll pick from the best drawings sent in and the winner will get the job. I&#8217;m sorry, but we can&#8217;t pay more than $250 for all of them. There will be more work in the future if you do this well.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is disgusting, and the &#8220;artists&#8221; who take on these types of jobs do us all a disservice. That&#8217;s why a $200 logo design contest should be ignored. On some level I agree that you have to decide for yourself if the value of the contest is worth it, and some contests have a publicity factor that make them a good marketing opp. However, those are few and far between.</p>
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		<title>By: mave</title>
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		<dc:creator>mave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 02:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arwen - When I read your comment I was concerned that maybe people were hard on Jonathan, and I agree - that would not be cool. But I re-read the comments on the previous post, and I see no mistreatment or abuse in what people said. There's a really big difference between speaking out against an issue and speaking out against a person. The people here were doing the former, not the latter. I think everyone here realizes that Jonathan's intentions were good, and have only the highest respect for him given his excellent handling of things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arwen - When I read your comment I was concerned that maybe people were hard on Jonathan, and I agree - that would not be cool. But I re-read the comments on the previous post, and I see no mistreatment or abuse in what people said. There&#8217;s a really big difference between speaking out against an issue and speaking out against a person. The people here were doing the former, not the latter. I think everyone here realizes that Jonathan&#8217;s intentions were good, and have only the highest respect for him given his excellent handling of things.</p>
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		<title>By: blue2x</title>
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		<dc:creator>blue2x</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also agree, contests are not bad , just be careful on what contests you enter, there's a particular contest site I wish you could stay away from =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also agree, contests are not bad , just be careful on what contests you enter, there&#8217;s a particular contest site I wish you could stay away from =)</p>
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		<title>By: Arwen Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arwen Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 01:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are no words to express just how extremely disappointed I am at the way that author was treated.  I am a writer and I also do web design. I don't think contests are bad. In the writing world, it is one way that you can get your foot in the door and have something nice to put on your resume when you win. I don't understand why if you didn't like the contest why you could simply have not entered. Instead a huge ruckus was raised which ended up taking away an opportunity for others.

:(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are no words to express just how extremely disappointed I am at the way that author was treated.  I am a writer and I also do web design. I don&#8217;t think contests are bad. In the writing world, it is one way that you can get your foot in the door and have something nice to put on your resume when you win. I don&#8217;t understand why if you didn&#8217;t like the contest why you could simply have not entered. Instead a huge ruckus was raised which ended up taking away an opportunity for others.</p>
<p> <img src='http://freelanceswitch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Raj</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 02:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Completely agree with Scott. At what point do we accept and allow-without-public-chastising for grown people to accept accountability and responsibility for signing up and submitting to contests of their own free will, for a reward they deem to be appropriate for the time and effort they expend? 

For the comments of whether someone "feels right" about paying less than top dollar for a project, if I had a world-reknowned designer offer me a killer design because we were talking and I was stuck for an idea, and I couldn't possibly afford his rates, but he saw it as a cool project with a good cause and comp'd me some ideas anyway because none of his own clients would let him try what he had in mind, and he expected nothing other than to just let people know I didn't come up with it myself, and all I did was buy him a lousy dinner and a beer as a show of gratitude, should I feel "okay" with that? Well, he felt okay with it, as did I. So, transaction completed. True story, by the way.

The only "bad" contest is when the true reward is disguised, or received work is misrepresented in the public space. Deceptive practices are never kosher. Yet there are several prominent people now who have presented these contests without any ulterior motives than the ones they expressed, and made their rewards very clear, and STILL they get raked over internet coals. Ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Completely agree with Scott. At what point do we accept and allow-without-public-chastising for grown people to accept accountability and responsibility for signing up and submitting to contests of their own free will, for a reward they deem to be appropriate for the time and effort they expend? </p>
<p>For the comments of whether someone &#8220;feels right&#8221; about paying less than top dollar for a project, if I had a world-reknowned designer offer me a killer design because we were talking and I was stuck for an idea, and I couldn&#8217;t possibly afford his rates, but he saw it as a cool project with a good cause and comp&#8217;d me some ideas anyway because none of his own clients would let him try what he had in mind, and he expected nothing other than to just let people know I didn&#8217;t come up with it myself, and all I did was buy him a lousy dinner and a beer as a show of gratitude, should I feel &#8220;okay&#8221; with that? Well, he felt okay with it, as did I. So, transaction completed. True story, by the way.</p>
<p>The only &#8220;bad&#8221; contest is when the true reward is disguised, or received work is misrepresented in the public space. Deceptive practices are never kosher. Yet there are several prominent people now who have presented these contests without any ulterior motives than the ones they expressed, and made their rewards very clear, and STILL they get raked over internet coals. Ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Conrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Conrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 01:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've been a designer for over a decade now and every time this subject comes up, its always hotly debated. This time is obviously no exception. At least Collis is able to put this more eloquently than I ever could.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been a designer for over a decade now and every time this subject comes up, its always hotly debated. This time is obviously no exception. At least Collis is able to put this more eloquently than I ever could.</p>
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